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Dec292009

Recon: Boston University

Boston's PR department is hard at workHello again, I trust the holiday season finds you well. The colossal matchup with New Mexico is imminent, just a few days away. But before then, the Boston University Terriers come into town tonight to collect a check and take a man-sized beating. Let’s not waste any time, as I am still recovering from celebratory excursions and you have probably forgotten all about the basketball Flyers.

All-Decade Team. Here is the undisputed All-Decade squad for your Gem City Cagers. If a case can be made for the inclusion of someone other than the five players below, I would love to hear it.

Ramod Marshall was my easy pick at the point. Silky smooth and long in all the right places, Ramod is the guy who made everyone around him better. A good distributor of the ball, a threat from the outside, and someone who came through in the clutch, Marshall was the obvious choice to run the show. If the game is on the line, Ramod is the guy I am drawing the last play for. Donoher tracked him down over the summer and found out that Marshall is currently a basketball coach for mentally handicapped (Donoher used a different term) kids. A class act on and off the court, and a world-class cocksman, Ramod was a complete player.

Tony Stanley was the last player I can remember that could create his own shot--and this was during the Oliver Purnell "pass it 'round the perimeter" days. Although he is probably regarded by some as a streaky shooter, T-Stan had the ability to make things happen on both ends of the floor. He remains UD's all-time freshman scorer, made the most three's in the program's history and finished sixth on the school's scoring list. Stanley was so vital to the Flyer's success that he easily got away with more shit than most players could. His kicking out the back window of a police car's window is legendary. Long may you run, T-Stan.

Easily the most hyped athlete to step on campus over the past decade, Wright showed flashes of brilliance before going down with an ankle injury halfway through his freshman season. Kountry Chris was named to the Atlantic 10 Second Team last season, and was selected to the preseason First-Team squad back before this year's campaign began. Although his legacy has not been firmly cemented for obvious reasons, Wright's arrival signaled the dawn of a new recruiting age in Dayton. In all honesty, I almost put Nate Green in the small forward slot simply because he was a force of nature the likes of which we will in all likelihood never see again. Then again, as any UD fan will probably tell you, Chris Wright can like totally jump real high and dunk and stuff, so of course he gets the nod.

The captain of the team, and the guy most likely to supply my girlfriend with bottled sperm once all the contractual kinks are worked out, is Keith Waleskowski. For those of you that never had the pleasure of watching the Whale play, just think of every white guy stereotype. Keith was hard-nosed, hard-working, smart and got the most out of his ability. The only good thing to come out of Alter, Waleskowski is just one of seven Flyers to score 1,000 points and grab 1,000 points in his career. Besides, you try denying the four-time winner of the "Shorty" Sharpenter Memorial Rebounding trophy. It's impossible. Waleskowski was like a homeless man's Kevin McHale. Only he was a lefty. And he was four inches shorter.

Sean Finn is the decade's best center by default, which isn't to say that he didn't enjoy a very productive career. Although his freshman year was a complete clusterfuck, which almost led Finn out of the program, the Shark turned the heat up his junior and senior seasons. Even with his first year completely wasted, Finn was still able to score over 1,000 points during his career. He is UD's all-time leader in field goal percentage at an astounding 65%. For those of you who don't understand the constant berating that Huelsman receives on this site, just try to remember that we once had a center who was able to block and alter shots, rebound with authority, and make just about everything inside of five feet. Trust me when I say this, you would rather have a cancer-stricken Sean Finn coming fresh off a chemo treatment than Kurt Hueslman on his best day.

Detox Rehab Mansion. Looks like Luke Fabrizius will be out until sometime next week as he continues to mend his injured knee. Some better news comes out of the Johnson camps, as MJ will likely see some action against the Terriers as his (ahem) “sprained” foot has apparently healed enough to play tonight. Chris Johnson, who is still recovering from being concussed against Presbyterian, appears to be physically ready if called upon.

Here is the quandary facing Brian Gregory. Does he suit up a still-recovering Chris Johnson against New Mexico later this week, or does he hold him out completely so he can play the “team wasn’t at full strength” card in an attempt to offset a possible loss in what will be UD’s last chance to impress before conference play commences?  This is why you get paid big bucks, BG. The Gem City is watching.

Paul Willie, Where Art Thou? Beginning the season with clutch performances against Creighton and Georgia Tech, many were of the opinion that Paul Williams was due for a breakout year. After putting up goose eggs against Villanova, Paul Willie came back strong against K-State and things were starting to look rosy for the kid from Hockeytown (how the blackest city in America became known as "Hockeytown" is something that sociologists continue to wrestle with. This is the city that produced Motown, Arena Rock, and was once the automotive center of the world. Now it is known for bearded white guys and thrown octopuses. Casey Kasem is rolling over in his grave, as his hometown has become unrecognizable).

By all accounts, it appeared that Williams was on the precipice of taking that next step and avoiding a sophomore slump. That's the thing with precipices, they are hard to spell and difficult to predict. Williams' play has been uninspiring to say the least. Statistically, Paul Willie hasn't taken a considerable step back. His percentages from last year, 33%-26%-62%, aren't that much different than the 35%-31%-76% he has put up this season. That being said, wasn't this guy supposed to bring some outside shooting to the table? His numbers over 43 games: 34% from the field, 28% from behind the three-point line, 71% from the charity stripe. Over his career, Paul Willie is averaging just 3.3 points per game.

The question then becomes: Can we honestly expect Paul Williams to drastically improve his production over the rest of the season, especially with a tough conference slate ahead? The smart money says no. Out of all of the sophomores, Paul Willie has improved the least. BR whipping-boy Luke Fabulous has routinely found his stroke this season, unfortunately leaving us with a discernable lack of material this year,  and Chris Johnson continues to build upon an impressive freshman season. Paul Williams, it's time you start earning that book money.

Know the Ledge. Incoming UD recruit Brandon Spearman has apparently studied eloquence under the doting tutelage of Kountry Chris Wright. The following is an entry from Spearman's Facebook account:

If you have absolutely no clue what any of that means, it's okay, we are here to help and enlighten. I ran the aforereferenced passage through my "Whitey McWhite Ebonics Translator 5000" machine (thanks Santa!), and this is what it generated:

Nowadays, black gentlemen are of unsound mind. There is a significant difference between being a casual acquaintance of mine and being a dear friend. If black gentleman take exception to the manner in which I conduct myself, I implore them to please bring it to my attention immediately. Again, and I cannot stress this enough, please direct your questions and concerns directly to me and not my steady girl or any of my associates. Lastly, I'd advise you to reevaluate your current course of action, as it may lead to a troublesome situation in the near future. 

Well then, now that we are all a little bit more in tune with the comings and goings of Mr. Spearman, let's focus our collective attention on the Terriers of Boston University.

A proud BU alum enjoying the artsAlumni Roll. In addition to a remarkably extensive list of Pulitizer Prize winners, Governors, Senators, Representatives and corporate CEO’s (which, let’s be honest, no one gives a shit about), BU sports a notable alumni catalog. What if I told you that George Constanza and Joan Baez attended Boston, does that do anything for you? How’s bout the bald guy from The Shield and MLK? Still not impressed? Do the names Geena Davis, Rocco DiSpirito, Olympia Dukakis, Faye Dunaway and Ginnifer Goodwin tickle your fancy? No? Christ, for someone that graduated from a school most well-known for hosting the NCAA tournament play-in game you sure are hard to impress. Okay, well I will have you know that Julianne Moore, Rosie O’Donnell, Pee Wee Herman, Jeffrey Ross, Howard Stern and Marisa Tomei graduated from Boston U. as well.

Although UD does have the deserved notoriety that comes with producing Jon Gruden, Dan Patrick, Father Guido Sarducci and the fat guy who used to pronounce words at the National Spelling Bee, Boston University’s list of prominent graduates makes Dayton look like a correspondence school. Do yourself a favor and check out Boston University's Wikipedia page to gain a more expansive insight into the type of talent BU has routinely produced. It will blow your fucking mind and call into question whether or not the University of Dayton should be permitted to operate as an accredited educational institution.

Lil’ Nova. Terrier head coach Pat Chambers fancies himself as the second coming of college basketball’s reigning poofer Jay Wright. Chambers precipitous rise is remarkable considering the episodes of unforeseen events that culminated in his becoming the head man at BU. Chambers was plucked from obscurity by Wright while he was an assistant high-school coach at Episcopal Academy, a prep school located in the Philadelphia suburbs. At the time, Episcopal had arguably the best one-two punch in high school basketball with guards Gerald Henderson and Wayne Ellington leading the charge. Nova was recruiting the tandem and hired Chambers as the “Director of Basketball Operations” (apparently someone has to keep track of basketballs and ensure that each player’s checks are deposited in the correct bank accountsOutside of the neck stabbing, a very fortunate man—usually belonging to a distant uncle or aunt.) in a conspicuous attempt to lure Henderson and Ellington to Nova Nation. Of course, Henderson signed on with Duke, Ellington packed his bags for Chapel Hill, and Wright was stuck with a pasty 33 year-old who had little experience in doing much of anything, let alone coaching basketball on the division one level.

Fast-forward five years.  Over that time, head assistant Fred Hill left Nova to take the head job at Rutgers, and Brett Gunning, who had been Jay Wright’s right-hand man since his days at Hofstra, absconded to the NBA. Jay Wright took a look over his shoulder at the beginning of last season and realized that Chambers was now the most senior assistant on his staff.  In May of 2009, Chambers takes over as BU’s head basketball coach. From assistant high-school coach to head coach on the D1 level in less than five years, a pretty fortunate chain of events for Chambers. The obvious comparison to make here is with Kansas State’s Frank Martin. Martin was hired under dubious circumstances yet has proved to be a recruiting virtuoso and a decent coach. Chambers certainly didn’t inherit a program on the level of Kansas State, but he does have the opportunity to prove that he is more that a recruiting tactic gone awry. Besides, it's about time an unqualified white guy got a break in this country, isn't it?

Not to belabor the point, but just how blessed is Chambers? I think the following passage will put things in perspective.

On a night in October, Saturday had turned to Sunday by the time Chambers was leaving the Franklin Plaza Wyndham in downtown Philadelphia. A little after 1 a.m., Chambers was walking and talking to someone he was with when, according to Philadelphia police, a man attacked him coming out of the bar in the hotel lobby. The man punched Chambers in the face, chipping three of his teeth, then stabbed him in the neck with a piece of broken glass. The reason for the attack was never clear.

Seriously, just how lucky is this guy? Of all the people his attacker could have possibly picked, he chose him. What are the odds? Talk about being born with a horseshoe up your ass.

Meet and Greet. The Terriers come into tonight’s game with a 5-6 record. Boston was present and accounted for at the Puerto Rico Tipoff, winning a game against Indiana and losing to Georgia Tech and Kansas State. A cursory look at BU’s schedule reveals losses that are more than respectable. Iona, Georgia Tech, Kansas State, George Washington, Harvard and UConn account for their six defeats. The wins are…not as respectable. Indiana, Northeastern, Bucknell, Marist and Mount Saint Mary’s are not exactly a murderer’s row.

Notwithstanding their current resume, the Terriers were the preseason pick to win the America East Conference (a selection that was made easier with the implosion at Binghampton, who many felt were the co-favorites before the program was torn asunder). With four starters returning from last season’s team, first-year coach Pat Chambers inherited a team that is flush with talent, experience and moxy. This is Boston’s last non-conference game, as they open up America East play with Desmond Adedeji’s Stonybrook Seawolves on January 2nd.

Boston has two members of the America East preseason First-Team in John Holland and Corey Lowe. Holland, currently averaging 20 points in 35 minutes per game, is the undisputed leader of the Terrier squad. Expect the junior wingman to play big against Dayton, as he seems to raise his game a level against better competition. Holland scored 20 against Kansas State, 23 in the Georgia Tech game and dropped 23 on UConn in Gampel Pavilion. He is about as gun-shy as Ted Nugent. Holland scores his points from the perimeter and by drawing fouls driving to the glass (averages around 8 foul shot attempts per game). Lowe’s percentages, 34%-30%-69%, are underwhelming, but the senior point guard does a little bit of everything to make the Terriers better. Lowe is averaging 15 points, 5 assists and 5 rebounds on the year. Is he a mini Scottie Pippen? I honestly don’t know. You were the one who said it, not me.

O'Brien, the new Tony Gaffney?Coach Chambers scored his first victory when he was able to convince sophomore forward Jake O’Brien to stay in New England for the upcoming season. O’Brien flirted with the idea of transferring at the end of last season’s campaign, possible destinations included Xavier, Butler, Miami and St. Joe’s, after former head coach Dennis Wolff was summarily dismissed following a 17-13 (11-5) season. I have to admit, if I knew an Irish-Catholic kid from Boston was looking for a new home, I would have been the first to pony up his under-the-table donation (O’Brien, quite obviously, would have been next in line). The reigning America East freshman of the year, O’Brien has picked up where he left off last season, averaging 13 points and 7 rebounds through 11 games. If you think this cat might be the latest BR crush, you are definitely picking up what I am putting down.

Tyler Morris is BU’s shooting guard. He is as shifty as a coyote on mescaline and as stubborn as a mule with Alzheimer’s. Morris is what we call in the industry a “perimeter player.” Check out these percentages: 39%-44%-93%. He is more accurate from 20 feet than he is from 10. He is the bizarro Chris Wright. Those percentages indicate that Morris is not adept at creating his own shot. When your three-point percentage is almost 10 points higher than your two-point percentage, you are more than likely not comfortable off the dribble or driving to the basket. Morris averages 12 points, 3 boards and 3 assists.

6’9” sophomore center Jeff Pelage will likely start but not do too much damage, which is exactly what Chambers is telling his team about Kurt Huelsman. If a full-scale brawl breaks out, Pelage is the guy you want to avoid most. He is likely to shoot only under duress, not by choice. Pelage has hit 38% of his shots from the floor, and just 36% of his foul shots. Those are just unconscionable numbers.

BU will employ a three guard attack for most of the game. In addition to Morris and Lowe, senior Carlos Strong will get significant playing time against the Flyers.  He is a gunner, with the majority of his shots coming from behind the arc (43% 3FG). Valdus Sirutis is a 6’7” senior forward just looking for a good time. Like most Lithuanians, Sirutis does not have any skills that translate to the basketball court. I would expect Sirutis to constantly look out of place, set plenty of moving screens, and push out a two-flusher after the game. Last, and possibly least, is the Terrier’s lone freshman, guard B.J. Bailey. Bailey was born in Atlantic City, so you know his story has no chance of ending well.

The Numbers Game. Eleven games in, we can start sucking the marrow from the statistical bones.



PPGFG%FT%3P%RPGORPGDRPGAPGTPGSPGBPGFPG
Boston-university BU 70.9 38.7 71.8 34.1 37.2 11.6 25.5 10.8 16.4 7.4 2.6 24.7
Dayton UD 70.1 45.4 66.7 34.1 35.1 11.5 23.6 14.7 14.5 6.4 2.5 19.6
Boston-university BU Opponents 74.5 43.7 69.4 33.3 38.2 10.8 27.4 13.0 16.2 7.4 4.5 21.5
Dayton UD Opponents 63.4 42.1 65.8 34.0 32.8 10.5 22.4 11.8 15.7 5.6 2.3 19.2


Boston is just a woeful shooting team, absolutely gash from the outside. How horrible is BU's offense? Observe: #316 in the nation in field goal percentage, #252 in points-per-possession, #308 in assist-to-turnover rate, #345 in field goal point percentage. The list goes on and on. So, how does a team with BU's offense put up 70 points a game? By getting to the line and putting up a lot of shots--specifically from three-point land. BU averages 74 possessions a game, good enough for 38th in the nation.

Albuquerque, NM. Jan. 1st, 2010. 11:00 am.Prediction: Boston comes into the Arena with something to prove. Without a substantial victory on its platter, the Terriers will be treating this game like World War III. Boston, as the clear underdog, will play the part of the Americans, while Dayton, the heavy favorites, will be portraying the Chinese. Let’s not downplay the effect the look-ahead factor could have on this game. I’m confident that at least half of the team realizes that a huge game against a ranked opponent is just a mere three days away. I am almost certain that Brian Gregory knows that New Mexico is lurking behind the shadows, although how this affects tonight’s game plan remains to be seen.

The problem with BU is that they are so undersized, just too goddamn small. They are not a threat to outscore UD, they are not a threat to outrebound UD, and they are not a threat to defensively control UD.  I see Dayton breaking 75 and Boston scoring under its average. The Flyers win this one going away, 79-65. Chris Wright leads all scorers with 17 points; Rob Lowery is due for a breakout performance and tonight is the night. Rob Low breaks a sweat, leaving the Arena with 13 and 7.  Due to budget cuts, the entire team must leave directly after tonight's game in Devin Searcy's SUV, arriving in New Mexico a mere hours before Friday's tip. The squad emerges from Searcy's car with an impressive 64 urine-filled Gatorade bottles.

Reader Comments (38)

Any UD all-decade team that doesn't include Brian Roberts was probably put together by a Wright State fan. I'm just sayin'.

Dec 29, 2009 at 11:06AM | Unregistered Commentertk

Roberts has to be in there over Stanley.

BG holding up the sign might be your best photoshop work yet.

Dec 29, 2009 at 11:08AM | Unregistered CommenterAdam

I stand by T-Stan, a major contributor all four years at UD.

Dec 29, 2009 at 11:14AM | Registered CommenterMr. Blackburn

Who the fuck is Tony Stanley? Did he play with Don May? '07 Grad says put in B-Rob.

Dec 29, 2009 at 11:16AM | Registered CommenterMr. O'Brien

O'B: B-Rob is your boy, a great shooter. TStan was a more complete player in my humble opinion.

Dec 29, 2009 at 11:24AM | Registered CommenterMr. Blackburn

Also, if I have but one regret, its that I had only $978 dollars to bribe Jake O'Brien to coming to Dayton with. That being said, since we do share a surname, feel free to deposit his payoffs in my account Mr. Blackburn. You have the swiss transfer numbers correct?

Dec 29, 2009 at 11:28AM | Registered CommenterMr. O'Brien

I know our audience is a lot younger than myself and Blackburn, but T-Stan was a better all around player than Brian Roberts.

Check out our Fantasy League Draft of Death. BrownsFlyer picked T-Stan with the #2 pick and cake walked to the championship.

Dec 29, 2009 at 12:22PM | Registered CommenterMr. Donoher

...perhaps a 2nd team all-decade list...?

Dec 29, 2009 at 12:56PM | Unregistered CommentertheShroyerFlyer

@TheShroyerFlyer...off the top of my head

Brian Roberts
Marcus Johnson
Yuanta Holland
Nate Green
Kurt Huelsman if I have to pick a true center. If not, Monty Scott.

Good God that is horrible. Let's replace Monty Scott with Greg Kohls just to piss off BrownsFlyer

Dec 29, 2009 at 1:16PM | Registered CommenterMr. Donoher

I'm old enough to remember Tony Stanley. I knew him quite well, actually. Very good player, but not Brian Roberts. Don't overthink things. Roberts was 4th all time in scoring, top 5 in 3 point percentage, and did it all without much help save half a season with Chris Wright.

Dec 29, 2009 at 1:18PM | Unregistered CommenterAdam

Two notes from my time at UD:

I was taking a class taught by the fat guy who used to pronounce words at the National Spelling Bee when he died. It was a little weird to have a prof die in the middle of the semester. Totally got a B in the class though, which for me was fantastic.

Second, when I was a freshman (2000-01), Tony Stanley was a senior. He was in one of my first-year communication classes that spring, and the day after UD lost to Detroit in the NIT that season, he wasn't at class. In fact, I never saw him again.

Dec 29, 2009 at 1:18PM | Unregistered CommenterUncreative Commuter

Oh, and Brian Roberts > Tony Stanley.

Dec 29, 2009 at 1:19PM | Unregistered CommenterUncreative Commuter

I have no problems with people picking BRob over TStan. My thinking is probably clouded by the fact that Roberts got completely shut down against Xavier during his senior year. Left a bad taste in my mouth. Plus Stanley was a much better defender.

Dec 29, 2009 at 1:35PM | Registered CommenterMr. Blackburn

Stanley just walking off campus was friggin front page, break into coverage type news in Dayton. It was truly absurd.

He "coached" my team in OP's basketball camp between his freshman and sophomore years. Taught us how to elbow people in the ribs without being caught. We took his guidance to heart, and won our 7th grade title the next season, never once getting caught throwing 'bows. Went back the next summer, he coached us again, teaching us the art of the push off. Needless to say by the time we got to the varsity level we were well schooled in prison basketball.

Dec 29, 2009 at 1:38PM | Unregistered CommenterAdam

It's hard to say who had better teams. T-Stan only made the NCAA what, one year? The 1 point loss to Purdue? B-Rob got fucked over by Trent Meachem.

I will say this, Trent Meachem is the reason why Brian Roberts is not in the NBA right now.

Dec 29, 2009 at 1:39PM | Registered CommenterMr. Donoher

Plus, let's not forget--TStan almost left for the NBA after his junior season, that's how fucking good he was (at least in his own mind).

Dec 29, 2009 at 1:42PM | Registered CommenterMr. Blackburn

@ Tom

I remember my freshman year when TStan had a press conference to announce he was coming back to UD. I wonder who all was there? A guy from The Flyer News and some unpaid intern from the DDN.

Dec 29, 2009 at 2:02PM | Unregistered CommenterBrownsFlyer

@ Donoher
Perhaps Ashman at center for the 2nd team? Don't remember if he played the 4 or 5. Plus he only played half a season in the 2000's but then Stanley only played 1 and a half seasons in the decade. Either way he makes Kurt look like a lost puppy in the paint.

@ Blackburn
Stanley's "bid" for the NBA as a junior was more humerous than CW's by a mile. At least CW has had people other than his own relatives talking about making the jump his whole college career...not that either one should ever even consider it...

@ Uncreative
Both were deadly behind the arc but Stanley beats B-Rob based on defense and ability to drive to the hoop...in my humble opinion.

Dec 29, 2009 at 2:08PM | Unregistered CommentertheShroyerFlyer

@ShroyerFlyer: definitely take Ashman over Huelsman.

Dec 29, 2009 at 2:11PM | Registered CommenterMr. Blackburn

@Shroyer...was Ashman in the 00's? I did not look any up. If so, I will definitely take him. In fact, I would maybe take him over Finn.

Dec 29, 2009 at 2:18PM | Registered CommenterMr. Donoher

@ Donoher
He graduated in 2000 so he snuck half a season into the 00's.

Dec 29, 2009 at 2:22PM | Unregistered CommentertheShroyerFlyer

Ashman's senior year was the 2000 NCAA appearance. Just that half-season in this decade puts him above Kurt. , but neither would make my second team because I don't subscribe to the positional theory.

My second team would be:
Marcus Johnson
Brooks Hall's dad
Tony Stanley
Charles Little
Yuanta Holland

Dec 29, 2009 at 2:26PM | Unregistered CommenterAdam

@ Blackburn- The reason that Brob struggled against Xavier his senior year was because they literally had 4 guys guarding him the entire game. Who was he going to pass to to keep X honest? London Warren for the 15 foot jumper? Chuck Little? After Wright got hurt, most games were 1 v. 5 that season.

Dec 29, 2009 at 2:55PM | Unregistered CommenterMatt

The main reason to choose BRob over TStan is that Stanley is the onliest UD basketball player who played 4 years to not graduate in something like the last 20 years.

Dec 29, 2009 at 5:52PM | Unregistered CommenterSwampy Meadows

So is the guy doing the camera for the online stream drunk or asleep?

Dec 29, 2009 at 8:10PM | Unregistered CommenterMatt

As a PR person, I can only be ashamed by that poster. Hopefully it was made by some dumb intern...

Dec 29, 2009 at 8:52PM | Unregistered Commenterjuliaflyer

B-Rob at the point. I'm a huge Ramod fan but I'm just sayin...

Nice call on the Rob Low breakout game. 7-9 from deeeeep?

Dec 29, 2009 at 9:27PM | Unregistered CommenterSecaur

Lowery was insane tonight.

How about Chris Johnson? Didn't miss a shot. 4-4 from the field, 3-3 at the line.

Dec 29, 2009 at 9:54PM | Unregistered CommenterAdam

Putting Tony Stanley on the all decade team is fine, if you're selecting an all 90's team. Not picking Brian Roberts over a guy who played the majority of his career in the 90's for this decade's all decade team is silly.

Dec 30, 2009 at 8:44AM | Unregistered CommenterJoBu

BRob is in the debate for top 10 player of all-time ... so fuck yeah, he is on the "all decade team"

Also ... Finn at center, yeaaaa sir!

Dec 30, 2009 at 9:44AM | Unregistered CommenterJohn

@John...I'm assuming you meant top 10 player of all-time at UD, correct? If so, Tony Stanley is a top 5 player of all-time at UD.

Listen folks, it's fact. Stanley was a better all around player than B-Rob. If we didn't have to put a center on the team, then B-Rob would be on it over Finn. We are not saying B-Rob is a bad player because obviously he was not. But I think if polled Flyer fans from all generations (not just are audience who probably went to UD during a time when Stanley did not play), they would agree with Blackburn's team.

Dec 30, 2009 at 10:18AM | Registered CommenterMr. Donoher

@ JoBu- You win. 2 years of Tony Stanley in the decade.

@ Donoher - You are way, way off on your projection. Roberts would win that in a landslide. He's in the class with May, Chapman, Wally and Knight in Flyers fan lore. The blue hairs just hung off his dangle. Girls want to be him and guys want to fuck him, or something like that.

Dec 30, 2009 at 11:27AM | Unregistered CommenterAdam

@Adam...it all depends on who you ask. That is the beauty of the argument.

My grandpa: Don May and Monk Meineke
My dad: Bill Uhl and Jim Paxon
My 35 year old cousin: Roosevelt Chapman and Negele Knight
Me: Ryan Perryman and Tony Stanley
You and John: B-Rob and Jimmie Binnie

Dec 30, 2009 at 11:35AM | Registered CommenterMr. Donoher

I'm sure people prefer BRob over TStan, but I just feel like Stanley was a complete player. He could hit the three, take his man off the dribble, grab boards, and was a hell of a defender. Roberts was a great shooter, but in no way was he as well rounded as TStan.

Dec 30, 2009 at 12:14PM | Unregistered CommenterMr. Blackburn

Is being more well rounded a bigger plus than being able to dominate a game offensively while going almost 1 on 5? I don't know how you judge that. I definitely think Roberts had more of that ability than Stanley. And people underrate Roberts' ability to get to the bucket. He could score in any way, and he became a very good passer. His offensive game was far better and more rounded than most give him credit for. His defense was underrated too, but I concede that Stanley was a better defender.

The absolute clincher in my book is what JoBu brought up. 4 years of Roberts is better than 2 years of Stanley. I think Roberts is better looking at all 4 years, but in this case you're only getting to use two years of Stanley.

Dec 30, 2009 at 12:47PM | Unregistered CommenterAdam

If Roberts had one player on his team that could dribble a basketball while he was there for four years he would have been the best ever.

If Roberts had a fucking pointguard and didn't have to switch positions mid-career he would have challenged Chapman for number one.

If Roberts wasn't double and triple teamed every game his senior year he would have averaged 22 plus points a game ... you saw the same senior season as I did, right?

When Roberts had a capable player (Wright for half a year) UD was ranked the highest it has ever been in like 40 years, showing you how good he really was.


If Roberts isn't the number one player of the decade, then you are insane. I will admit when I am wrong, which happens more than not ... but this I will not budge on, he was the fucking man and no one challenges him skill wise this decade. 350 plus rebs and assts plus all the scoring, automatic from three and the line.

Dec 30, 2009 at 2:14PM | Unregistered CommenterJohn

in fucking tears on the Spearman translator passage....fucking tears.

Jan 1, 2010 at 12:52PM | Unregistered CommenterDirty Sanchez

BTW, Roberts has to be on the All-Decade Team

Jan 1, 2010 at 12:53PM | Unregistered CommenterDirty Sanchez

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