U. Dayton BasketballUD Will Never Win in Philly Again

Every team, be it Duke, Kentucky or the Washington Generals, has a night like tonight. The Flyers went on the road, in a tough environment, against a solid team, and laid an egg. UD seemed out of sorts, out of synch and out of answers all night. Dayton could simply not get untracked and couldn’t put together enough runs to keep up with St. Joe’s.

loss-lfz-printsIn the end, the Flyers didn’t have enough offense to come out ahead, SJU got easy buckets, played their usual brand of physical defense and cruised to a 79-70 victory. The loss snaps a nine-game winning streak by the Flyers and drops them to 21-4 on the season. The Hawks, by virtue of their win tonight, enter into a three-way tie with Dayton and VCU for first place in the Atlantic Ten.

The Sweater Nation by and large eats out of Archie’s hands. We smile when he lies to us about injuries, blush when he recruits players with academic histories that would give most coaches ulcers and shrug when “second opportunities” become third, fourth and even fifth chances for players immune to discipline. That’s what winning does. It gives coaches enough slack on their leash to wander next door.

However, I think we can all agree that Archie’s lineups tonight were at best questionable, at worst blasphemous. Miller’s personnel decisions, particularly in the first half, were nothing short of an abomination against God. I’m almost positive Kevin Kuwik was our shooting guard at one point. The first twenty saw Bobby Wehrli, who hasn’t seen the court for significant minutes since the Monmouth game (you guys even remember that one?), play a bizarre six-minute stretch and Ryan Mikesell right there with him, racking up four minutes of court time in the first frame as well. A head-scratcher to say the least.

The biggest question mark was Archie’s reluctance to play Big Steve against an undersized Hawk squad. When McElvene was in he scored at will and had an overwhelmingly positive impact on the game, the big man finished with twelve points in eighteen minutes. In addition, UD’s lack of size down low with Big Chief benched was a major factor in the Hawk victory. SJU scored 40 points in the paint, a little more than half of their points coming inside.rp_primary_piereIf Martelli could’ve drawn up the perfect outcome before the game (and I’m not sure he didn’t) it would have included Dayton bombing away from outside and not challenging the Hawks defensively inside. The Flyers responded in kind, shooting a season-high 31 threes (connecting on just eight) and continually allowing St. Joe’s to get easy buckets inside. For the first time all season, it felt like Dayton simply couldn’t handle their opponent’s physicality. Martelli’s club is aggressive on both sides of the court and it seemed like UD was either not prepared for it or simply didn’t answer the call. SJU brought a man-sized game to the table and Dayton appeared to lack the CHEST for it.

Obviously, there was increased pressure on Charles Cooke, Dyshawn Pierre and Scoochie Smith with Kendall Pollard taking the night off. Cooke is the guy UD relies on offensively and he didn’t really get it going until it was too late – the junior wing scored seven of his team-high 16 points in sixty seconds during Dayton’s last gasp run with around five minutes left in the contest. Pierre played his usual understated and well-rounded game, finishing the contest with ten points, eleven boards and five assists. Smith was erractic, turning in what could only be considered a sub-par showing for him.

The good news, if you’ll indulge me, is that the loss to St. Joe’s is just a slight tear in our sails. It doesn’t change the direction of the season and certainly doesn’t come close to putting a damper on our expectations going forward. UD was the underdog going in and looked every bit the lesser team for forty minutes tonight. The win strengthens St. Joe’s chances for an NCAA Tournament bid (yay A10!), in fact the win against Dayton might be the reason the Hawks hear their names announced come Selection Sunday, and won’t cause too much reverberation as far as the Flyers’ potential seeding is concerned.

We have to turn the page quickly on tonight’s gloomy performance as the Flyers welcome Saint Bonaventure, another club desperate for a big victory, into the Arena at noon on Saturday. The Flyers have five conference games remaining and still have work to do if they want to win the regular season crown. REMAIN LOWD.

 

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Tom Blackburn

Tom Blackburn is a proud U. o' D. alum. He loses faith in humanity one day at a time, but not in you, you seem like you are all kinds of alright. Charter member of the T-Man fanclub.

43 comments

  • Colorado Flyer

    February 17, 2016 at 11:04 PM

    Like Blackburn said, these nights happen. But, it’s getting late. It is time for UD to start playing their best basketball. There is no reason Dayton should not win the conference this year. I still think Archie is struggling to find those lineups that work, but we need to start rolling. And what’s up with Scoochie?

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    • Tom Blackburn

      February 17, 2016 at 11:46 PM

      Things get interesting now with SJU holding the tie-breaker over Dayton. Bonnies loss tonight kinda puts them to bed. VCU, SJU and UD battling for the #1 spot.

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    • Gil

      February 18, 2016 at 12:02 AM

      What’s up with scoochie? That’s what you got from that game?

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      • Colorado Flyer

        February 18, 2016 at 11:18 AM

        This team will go as he goes, he is turning the ball over more and missing free throws. It’s been tough to watch him in conference play

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        • Gil

          February 18, 2016 at 11:51 AM

          He good.. Errbody was out of sync. He made some pretty solid plays I thought. He is low on the list of what caused the loss

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          • Rudy

            February 18, 2016 at 2:23 PM

            Scooch was all over the place. I frequently looked to see him getting caught behind screens and switches worlds away from his guy.

            Question is: Do you even think about playing Crosby extended minutes one of these games to send a message?

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            • Tom Blackburn

              February 18, 2016 at 3:37 PM

              Rudy, I think I would give Crosby more minutes simply to get Scooch some rest and keep him sharper. I’d be very comfortable with Crosby getting 10-15 mins per game.

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        • Tom Blackburn

          February 18, 2016 at 12:12 PM

          He was awful defensively as well. SJU’s freshman guard Kimble had field day going at Scooch.

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  • Anonymous

    February 17, 2016 at 11:08 PM

    St joes had Five guys score double digits which is unusual , I think Archmiester was trying to keep fresh bodies out there and wear Bembry and Miles down.

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  • The Kman

    February 17, 2016 at 11:40 PM

    Unlike most red sweaters I hate to blame, accuse or make excuses of officials but tonight the stripes were in our heads. Cooke and Scoochie kept driving and couldn’t get a call. After a while it felt like we just stopped trying and decided to chuck it from the cheap seats. No FT until the last min of the half? When was the last time that happened?

    Let’s face it, Darrell knew his last min 3 won us last game and he was determined to use that free pass to jack as many threes as he could muster. Two came late but good glory dude, stop jacking shot when your 1-7.

    Scoochies FT shooting may be the biggest Manning Face of the season. What’s the deal. He used to be clutch.

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  • Velvet

    February 18, 2016 at 12:21 AM

    Total head scratcher tonight (lineups, strategy, execution). The play that summed it up to me was an out of bounds play in the second half that was setup to get Sam a 3. ??? No doubt this team is good, but there are little things they constantly miss (Steve allowing a back cut on an out bounds play late in the game; DP passing up an open 3 so DD can jack up a contested one late in the first half; Scoochie flopping and flailing on drives that aren’t there; 2 of 7 from the line). I thought this stuff would get cleaned up by now … we’ll see.

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  • Red Square

    February 18, 2016 at 12:58 AM

    I suspect a solid 20 minutes from Pollard would have changed the tone of that game quite a bit. He’s an incomplete player for sure but his aggression is key in big road games. St Joes ate our lunch tonight, hats off to them. Archie delivers on Saturday and the local supporters shuffle off to Perkins for dinner with smiles

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  • Anonymous

    February 18, 2016 at 1:17 AM

    I think Archie owes money to the Philly locals. Only reason for this lineup “shakeup.”

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    • TBolt

      February 18, 2016 at 8:03 AM

      Blackburn do you think Archie was in on some kind of fix? “LOWD for the mob” – an ESPN original

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        • TBolt

          February 18, 2016 at 1:12 PM

          Reminds me of the Edwin Young point shaving rumors from 2000.

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      • Boutros Boutros-Ghali

        February 18, 2016 at 10:29 AM

        He’s from Pennsylvania.
        His middle name is Joseph.
        Pollard doesn’t melt steel.
        He shook hands with the opposing coach after the game (I saw this personally.)

        The fix is, undoubtedly, in.

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  • LeeAce

    February 18, 2016 at 1:17 AM

    I for one am not big on conspiracies but damn this game left me with all kinds of red flags. Everything from lineups to the effort level seemed a tad strange. I mean why leave wherli out there for as many minutes he had when he hasn’t seen the floor in great minutes since I believe the Orlando tournament. All I’m saying is coaching was suspect!!

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  • TBolt

    February 18, 2016 at 7:10 AM

    In before the cheese steak conspiracy post on UDPride

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    • Tom Blackburn

      February 18, 2016 at 9:48 AM

      Damn, completely forgot about the cheese steak conspiracy. A UD Pride classic.

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  • DeMato

    February 18, 2016 at 7:32 AM

    And you guys thought I was bad.

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  • Joe Kiss

    February 18, 2016 at 7:35 AM

    What does McElvene do to draw so many fouls? At least twice a game he gets rung up where I see no contact or a typical no-call. To be sure, the two or three others are pretty clear when he’s too slow or in bad position or just hacks someone. But it does seem like he gets nailed on questionable calls really often. Other big men don’t average a foul every four minutes. Is he just in bad position so often that probability wise, he’s going to get a bunch of “we’ll assume it’s a foul.” Is it me noticing something that isn’t there? Is it a freshman doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt?

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    • The Kman

      February 18, 2016 at 9:10 AM

      Agree. He’s straight up or someone fading away from contact and they love to blow the whistle.

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  • 215 kiefaber

    February 18, 2016 at 7:42 AM

    Mikesell and bobby on the court at the same time should only happen if the game is well in hand. If you look at the scoring, it was lost when those two played. The first ten minutes and the second half were pretty even scoring wise between the two teams. Head scratcher for sure. Mikesell looks like a junior high kid out there.

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  • Roy Driesen

    February 18, 2016 at 7:53 AM

    This is the best fan base in the country and we don’t deserve games like this! Archie Miller has taken this program as far as he can, that lineup bullshit last night was proof that he doesn’t know anything. How Miller didn’t ride Big Steve last night is beyond amazing. You have a lottery pick on the bench, use him!

    Did Sam Miller win the opening tip?

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  • Tin foil hat

    February 18, 2016 at 7:55 AM

    Looks like Bernadette called in a favor for SJU #conspiracytheory

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  • Stonemill's Finest

    February 18, 2016 at 8:05 AM

    This was 1 game of a 30 game season. It is one of the toughest places to play in the A10. We played like shit, Archie coached like shit, and we still had a chance down the stretch. No need to worry unless this starts to become a thing. End of story.

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  • The Kman

    February 18, 2016 at 9:13 AM

    Rumor has it Archie spent the game refreshing his votes on the Infinti Coaches Charity Challennge and Wherli and Mikesell checked themselves into the game.

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  • SammySmithSearchParty

    February 18, 2016 at 9:51 AM

    Well fuck. Came home from a family dinner. Missed the entire game. Week ruined. Whipped out my “Big East” and used my tears as lubricant. I feel worse for Martelli’s grandson emulating his sickly looking grandfather instead of our squad. We will destroy ST Joes balloon-knot in Brooklyn and march to the sweet 16 while we watch Martelli’s goons lose to LSU in the first round. After our win against the Bonnie Hunts this weekend we will continue the second longest streak of avoiding back to back losses in CBB, hasn’t happened since Jan 2014. Long live Yuanta Holland!!!!

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  • tman

    February 18, 2016 at 11:02 AM

    I’m kinda proud of UD nation in that they are willing to call a spade a spade.
    I was worried Archie would get a free ride.
    Major mind fuck from MIller.
    Too many coaching fuck ups to mention.
    We could start with the fact that the interior defense was horrible without Big Steve in the game.

    And how the hell does Sam start over Steve?
    One would have to return to the BG era when he started Binnie over Charles Little.
    I find this to be in the same realm.

    Gregory got away with this stupidity for years at UD and nearly no one said a thing.
    At least this time UD fans recognize and are willing to voice when our coach shits himself
    Perhaps that says something about the program now.
    I guess everyone can have a bad day. Even Archie MIller..
    However
    If Sam starts Sat, I’ll walk out.

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    • jed

      February 18, 2016 at 2:13 PM

      if KP cant go you might as well save yourself the trip.

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  • Obama Pickup Game Sweatpants

    February 18, 2016 at 12:40 PM

    Good recap. The only guy that had a worse night than the Flyers was the dude trying to run the scoreboard graphic for CBS struggling with basic addition, we’d be down 4 and then all of a sudden down 10.

    You could tell early on tonight just wasn’t the night. We got outplayed and outcoached in a tough environment. Key is to not let it snowball and come home and take care of the Bonnies.

    Pollard would have made a huge difference against this St. Joes team as we were getting killed around the basket by their athletic bigs. Rothstein said during the game that Archie was concerned about Big Steves ability to guard on the perimeter and he would have no one to guard in St. Joes lineups. I for one thought that this scenario might have actually worked to our advantage on defense if you get St. Joes out of their routine on offense with their big guys chucking 3’s b/c of a perceived matchup advantage vs. Big Steve. If that meant a couple less shots for Bembry I don’t think that would’ve been a bad thing. Especially since the offense was 10x better with Big Steve in there.

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  • Obama Pickup Game Sweatpants

    February 18, 2016 at 12:46 PM

    Bembry also was the beneficiary of some really tough calls against an undersized KD in the post. There was one in the short corner early in the 2nd half that was absolutely ridiculous. Thought Bembry got bailed out a couple times by the zebras. KD disappeared on that bench for as long a stretch as I can remember.

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    • tman

      February 18, 2016 at 2:27 PM

      Who in their fucking right mind would put Davis on Bembry in the first place!

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  • jed

    February 18, 2016 at 2:08 PM

    other than archie’s absurd lineups and the launching of threes, the only problem I have with the loss was the officiating or lack thereof. a little adversity will build character for the tournament, in fact another loss prior to the tourney helps this team. WTF with the disintegrating pom poms? should be a fucking technical, especially after Martelli pointing out the shit was on the floor. Cooke’s travel/slip driving the lane late 2nd half you can see he stepped right on a strand of foil causing him to lose an edge. oh yes, Scoochie’s free throw shooting is beyond pathetic and will be the downfall of trueteam in the tourney if not corrected.

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    • tman

      February 18, 2016 at 2:32 PM

      Hmm–lets see
      With STJ now having the tie breaker this perhaps cost us the A-10 league title combined with the fact that Dayton was knocking on the door of a top ten ranking plus costing us seeding in both a-10 and NCAA tournaments, its a heluva way to build fucking character pal….

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      • jed

        February 19, 2016 at 10:14 AM

        the a-10 tournament seeding? meh. top ten ranking doesn’t mean diddly. dropping from a four to a five won’t make a difference in the end. It will just be the luck of the draw in the potential matchups they get. they were thinking their shit doesn’t stink after pulling the last two W’s out of their asses by clamping down late. Had they been able to pull this one out they would have really been full of themselves. hopefully, they now realize it takes 40min of balls to the wall to get the W. if not maybe we can send Udo Dirkschneider by, when he is on his way to Hara, to explain it to them.

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  • jed

    February 18, 2016 at 2:12 PM

    does archie know what the fuck a zone is, could have come in handy yesterday.

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  • TBolt

    February 18, 2016 at 4:08 PM

    Does this loss end all the talk about a 1 seed and Archie’s tie on UDPride?

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  • mattt

    February 18, 2016 at 4:34 PM

    Scoochie has a fucking vagina. If he didn’t have the cute hood rat nickname you’d have never heard of him. I would rather have fucking London Warren or Steven Thomas than that piece of shit playing. He SUCKS

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    • Obama Pickup Game Sweatpants

      February 19, 2016 at 11:00 AM

      You can’t be serious

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  • John R

    February 19, 2016 at 9:37 AM

    Enough of the blue uniforms on the road ware fucking red.

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