RecapU. Dayton BasketballThe Cup Returns to the Gem City

Sully9 months ago1312 min

When the great founding fathers of the Arch Baron Foundation got together on a blistery cold night in Dayton, OH to form the great basketball rivalry you know today as the Arch-Baron Cup, Tuesday’s tilt in the Gem City was precisely what they had in mind: ugly, sloppy, pants-shitting basketball that comes down to the wire. The newest chapter of the Arch-Baron Cup had it all. An installment for the ages.

(It has come to my attention that many do not know the true history of the Arch-Baron Cup, so I conveniently provided that for you here)

While both teams were coming off wins going into The Cup on Tuesday, momentum is rarely carried over when ball hits floor in this rivalry. Once you got over the sex stuff swirling around SLU, the first half was vintage Arch-Baron Cup: slow offense, suffocating defense, lots of turnovers. Davell Roby would lead the charge for the Billikens, scoring all 11 of his total in the first half on the back of selective shooting and open looks. He would be silenced in the second, one of the main reasons the Flyers were able to turn the tables in the end.

The story of the evening would begin around the 12-minute mark with the substitution of the lanky Greek kid. Kostas and his foreign pal Matej checked in to give breathers to Josh and Trey, and Kostas proceeded to score the most routine two-point bucket I have seen this season. I made Matt Allaire go back and find the video this afternoon so I could include it in this post:

You all know what you saw here: Kostas gets the mismatch on the block, he gets an entry pass from Crutcher, he makes literally one move and plops in a kindergarten two-pointer. I really don’t know how you can see plays like this as a fan on February 20th and then rationally explain why Kostas has not been given opportunities to do this all season. It’s just one of the many questions we have been asking of Grant this year. If you think we’re the only ones who notice, you would be incorrect:

Maybe? Idk.

The end of the first frame was close to the worst stretch Dayton has played offensively this season. In the final 11 minutes, UD would score 3 baskets from the field, get outscored by the Billikens 18-8 and Grant did the “playing a walk-on” thing again. I want to address this once and then be done with it. Brooks Hall said this is on Flyer Feedback after the Fordham win, and I’ll just echo it: you cannot truly convince me a walk-on can give you better contributions on the court than the scholarship players you have on the bench. Saying otherwise is blowing unnecessary smoke up everyone’s ass. I’m sure Jack is nice boy from a good family. I know a message when I see one, so do you.

In the final 6 minutes of the aforementioned 11, Dayton would commit SIX turnovers en route to a 9-point deficit in the locker rooms. The scoring was balanced, which you could argue was part of the problem, no one in white finished with more than 5. Dayton committed six turnovers in the final six minutes. That felt like something I needed to type out twice.

We did get to see Trey Landers FULLY SEND IT IN DOE!

The second half really got cooking around the 8-minute mark, when two Kostas free throws tied the game at 39-39 (not even 80 points, with eight minutes left!!). The end of the game for UD was basically just a routine in seeing if their team could outscore Hasahn French. French came back on the floor from foul trouble and scored the next 10 consecutive points for the Billikens, and 12 of the last 13 overall. French was the only SLU player to make a basket for his team in the last 13 minutes of the game. Do I credit UD? Do I blame SLU? Do I stop watching basketball for a week? What do I do with this information?

Down the stretch, a mixture of non-existent SLU offense and a few Trey Landers clutch plays were the difference in the result. Landers put together a Shades-of-Scoochie Finish, logging 4 points, 4 rebounds, 1 assist and 1 steal over the last 4 minutes. That’s the dirty dirty. The assist was the prettiest play he’s made this season, easily, if he hadn’t jammed the shit out of that alley oop (above). What a day for that Dayton boy.

(since Allaire is back from the #PizzaIncident he was able to provide us with some snazzy videos)

After Jalen Crutcher iced it at the line, Javon Bess’ long 3 would come up short, and the Flyers would escape with a Cup win as grimey as Werner Harewood himself. It would be fair to say the Flyers were finally able to grasp the shame that comes with losing the Cup. Luckily, they only had to wear that shame for 24 days. The Cup is back where it belongs, and the dreadful fate of letting The Cup reside in St Louis until 2019 is avoided.

The vote for the coveted Harewood Horse Trophy? Closer than ever.

So much so that the Arch Baron Foundation asked me to go to the fine people of Dayton Twitter to decide, and they never let me down, providing the nicest, and most conclusive results we could ask for.

For the first time in the storied rivalry’s history, a foreign-born player is awarded the Harewood Horse Trophy. The Foundation would not allow a non-American player to win the award until 1981. We’ve come a long way.

  • I didn’t do a recap for Fordham because frankly, there was nothing to recap. The goal of last Saturday was to not lose to Fordham at home, UD didn’t lose to Fordham at home. Scene.
  • The last cool and good thing UD could do for these fans this year is finish at 500. Without really straining yourself, you can see UD has 3 contests remaining, and sitting at 13-14. If you take your shellacking to URI this Friday, you gotta go win at Swimming Pool Arena (LaSalle) in Philadelphia, then beat a dreadful George Washington team at home on DURRELL’s Day.
  • Trey Landers is turning into a major factor in the UD offense, and it sure seems like he’s determined to be the team leader moving forward, which is all kinds of fine by me. Since his 0-point stinker at St Joes, Landers has averaged 14 points per contest. That’s the kind of shit you want in a rebuilding year.
  • He was awarded the lauded Harewood Horse Trophy for a reason: Kostas put together his strongest all-around effort of the year, I think I speak for many when I say I have no fucking clue why it took until February 21st to get that kind of effort out of him. In conference play, Kostas has logged less than 15 minutes in 9 of 15 contests and this was his first double digit scoring affair. Convincing me this team has no use for him would be difficult, just keep his ass out of foul trouble and we’re good here.
  • Oh ya, for what seems like the first time all year, Josh Cunningham had a quiet affair. It’s almost refreshing to have another story line that isn’t: “Josh scored 20, get him the ball more.”

Finally, since certain outlets need to tiptoe around certain subjects, we are happy to provide some clarity. Today I was looking at the 2005-06 Dayton Flyers roster, and it reminded me a lot of what we are seeing from today’s team, 12 years later. In Gregory’s third year, the players left over from Oliver Purnell were all on the way out, and the writing was on the wall that tournament appearances were long gone and a few upperclassmen would not be able to help the team into the future. So BG cut bait, opened up scholarships, and brought in the Johnson-Huelsman-London-Perry (transfer) class. In hindsight, this was one of the most successful things BG did with the UD job, and, of course, I bring all of this up to say this: does Anthony Grant go the same route?

What we know for certain is that the roster will look fairly different next year, and Jordan Pierce will be the first of those to go. We have just heard far too much from those close to the program to say otherwise. Other than that? It’s anyone guess.

John Crosby bet on himself in returning to UD and has fully lost the starting job to Jalen Crutcher. He hasn’t scored double-digits since before Christmas and hasn’t logged more than 15 minutes since January 9th at Richmond. With two more guards already signed for next season, it will be interesting to see if Crosby sticks around to get his degree or plays the basketball carousel for his last season, knowing he will need to sit out. The Grant coaching staff has not exactly been secretive about their recruiting plans, with 8-10 current offers out and interest in probably another 10 more. They have even gone as far as to try and convince a 2019 point guard recruit to classify to this coming year to try and help UD immediately (not uncommon). You don’t need to exactly connect the dots to deduce Grant & Co, do not have plans to return a few of the guys currently on the roster. That’s just the reality.

With all of that in mind, the X-man Williams situation remains one of the most mysterious developments I have ever seen in Dayton Basketball. As I mentioned above, the message from Grant is pretty clear to X-man that, as of right now, he does not have a place on this basketball team. The guy who averaged 30+ minutes a night to begin the season hasn’t played in 4 of the last 5 games and has been passed on the depth chart by a walk-on. Many people in the A10 to begin the year we’re asking me if X-man could elevate his game to get into POY conversation, and to be honest, I really thought that was possible. No one expected this kind of regression, my man must really love his video games.

Landers had some insight about a week ago that was fairly telling:

“Me and X talk. I tell him just to control what he can control. You want to play, but it’s not your decision. It’s up to coach. I tell him it starts in practice. You have to work.”

Finally, as I often do, I wanted to give credit to the students for a great turnout last night in the midst of a trying season. Trey Landers commented after the game to Jablo saying as much. Seeing the student section 75% full for The Cup was a pleasant surprise.

A quick turnaround awaits your Dayton Flyers, as they will travel to Kingston, RI on Friday evening to take a thorough beating from the conference-leading Rhode Island Rams. There’s still like 45 scenarios over the final 3 games that could play out to affect UD’s seeding in the A10 tournament, but, boy, it sure looks like UD will land in the 8-9 spot, which would of course guarantee URI on Friday of the A10 tournament…and the end of the season…most likely.

Stick around, we’re almost there. Keep wearing red, keep being LOWD. Stay Normal.


The LOWD ambassador of Chicago, Sully has spent his life tirelessly watching UD hoops. Welcomer of all takes, hot and cold.


  • 116 Chambers

    February 21, 2018 at 5:05 PM

    Are you really trying to tell me that John Crosby is better than Jack Westerfield at this point? Westerfield actually plays hard defense and doesn’t turn the ball over bc he knows his limitations offensively. Give me 5 minutes of Westerfield in the 1st half any game over the baffling inconsistency and recklessness of Crosby.


    • Sully

      February 21, 2018 at 5:20 PM

      I will answer by saying this: if Crosby’s job was to come in for 5 minutes and hide in the lineup to give ppl breathers, yes, he absolutely would be better at it than a walk-on. Unfortunately, he’s supposed to be the backup guy who handles the ball for 10min/night, that’s the problem.


  • Jim

    February 21, 2018 at 5:46 PM

    Rhody squeaked by at LaSalle in OT last night. This means of course that are chances against Rhody went up and against LaSalle they went down so 9-9 or 8-10 are still the likely scenarios.

    I’ve said all year they should play Kostas every game until he fouls out if necessary to get him the reps. Grant is either very slow at figuring things out or he will look like a genius next year. As for next year Crosby (never was good) and X (truly an X factor – what happened with that dude?) will be gone. No room left on the roster for them with Toppin, Cohill, Mikesell and Matos coming in and only Durrell leaving.

    Speaking of Durrell, Larry said that he has 74 assists but also has 74 turnovers this year. That is the definition of net zero productivity.


    • Sully

      February 21, 2018 at 6:00 PM

      Just so were all on the same page: Toppin and Mikesell already have scholarships. They don’t need to “free up” schollys to include them next year.

      DURRELL’s season has been the definition of tumultuous.


  • The Legend of Alec Gorilla-vick

    February 21, 2018 at 6:01 PM

    This isn’t supposed to be a Bill Belichick press conference at the Donoher Center. As alums and fans who contribute millions to the program, buy season tickets, (or maybe at least would provide escorts if needed to get a blue chip recruit) , purchase Red Scare memorabilia and put up with RUDY being the actual given-name of our mascot…(instead of Mr Potato Head) …..we deserve to know the full story on why a SCHLEP CLUTZY LEFT HAND WALKON who PAYS to be on the basketball team gets key minutes….while guys on scholarship like EX and COSBY don’t play at all??. By rotting those guys on the bench it sure doesn’t seem they are learning any valuable life lessons that will impact the course of human history once they leave Kennedy Union cooking??…….come on this is ridiculous!!……….this isn’t Jack Nicholson testifying to Tom Cruise!!!.. WE CAN HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!


  • Angry John

    February 21, 2018 at 7:00 PM

    Disagree with my old friend The Legend. Certain things are left best in the lockerroom. By the way, there has been some information that has leaked out to know what is going on.


  • Seamus

    February 21, 2018 at 9:25 PM

    I Agree 0ne hundo with 116 Chambers, seems like X has checked out and Maybe Westerfield wants one of those scholarships alla Wherli , everyone says he bust his ass in practice Motivation for guys that want minutes like Kostas .


  • Comfortably Numb

    February 21, 2018 at 11:16 PM

    Do the Blackburn boys think Cunningham might move on after this year (assuming he graduates). Wondering whether he might have an opportunity to showcase himself a bit better to NBA scouts if he’s playing elsewhere (Indiana (?))


    • Sully

      February 22, 2018 at 3:41 PM

      Josh Cunningham will be returning next year. I’m more sure about this than anything I’ve ever written on this site.


  • Kid Flyer

    February 22, 2018 at 6:17 AM

    Angry John – I’ll take the bait. What are the leaks on what is going on with XW? Has he found Jah?


  • Jim

    February 22, 2018 at 11:40 AM

    Cunningham is good but not NBA? 6’7″ Forward? I don’t see it. Kind of a tweener. I think he stays at UD next year. UD will be better in 2018-2019 which will help.


  • MorganInCrimson

    February 22, 2018 at 9:10 PM

    I love all the Dayton fans still willing to blow my husband. I mean four NCAAs but he did recruit the Columbus Kids and the last two seasons pissed down his leg when his teams were loaded like me in the flight deck during a Wednesday night game.

    BTW they took away my in game tweets!!!


    • Kid Flyer

      February 23, 2018 at 12:01 AM

      Best ever! Will never be the same.


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